I really want to use a SUF training plan but

Yes I usually mean an indoor workout to control my trainer with the Roam but yes, also outside, from time to time.

For indoor workouts, this leaves my iPad available for watching Netflix, YouTube or whatever.

For outdoor workouts, it allows us to take The Sufferfest outdoors on the road, gravel, or trails, and it more competitively positions The Sufferfest against a notable competitor who already supports this feature and allows the platform to truly cover all training scenarios. Indoor, outdoor, yoga, strength, mental, and possibly even running power outdoors.

Wouldn’t that be great? :ok_hand:

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I am living proof that you should trust the plans. Recovery is an essential part of any training plan - when I had coaching for a marathon I had 4 easy runs a week and 2 high intensity workouts.

Having just completed 2 intermediate training plans trusting the plans has worked beyond all belief. I am now pushing out 20% more watts than previously and this is despite losing 13 pounds in weight.

I also feel some of the video workouts at reduced intensity don;t have the same feel to them but this is when I have my own playlist and/or put something on to watch while doing the workout.


@washsaint I definitely trust the SUF Science/Coaching team. :100: There’s no question about that in what I’ve raised above. It’s more a question of how the plans are integrated into The Sufferfest software and the Wahoo ecosystem.

BTW - Great job on your own improvements! Solid increases! :muscle: I just happened to have tested yesterday with HM and improved on what were already pretty strong numbers in May by my standards. FTP was up by 15% and MAP by 10%. These are my highest ever numbers, too. I’m feeling really strong but looking to make a good training plan choice headed into Canadian winter. :+1:


The exporting of outside workouts to bike computer requests seem to be popping up more and more now, usually followed by “it’s on the radar”. Surely now with SUF and Wahoo working in close harmony this really is not that difficult to implement! Especially to Wahoo head units, and heck wouldn’t that even persuade some Garmin users to switch over to Wahoo Roam/Bolt etc.
Is that not a Win-Win for the shareholders?


… and given the integration of the Wahoo Elemnt line and all Garmin units with TrainingPeaks, it would just be a matter of adding the structured workout for the NoVids in The Sufferfest workout library on TrainingPeaks.

A bit of grunt work for sure, but doable as a short-term hack before this stuff is able to be done “properly” for Wahoo ecosystem users (i.e., fully integrated by making The Sufferfest have a rich API connection with Elemnt head units, at least equivalent to what TrainingPeaks has today to supply head units with planned workouts).

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When I have an outdoor workout, I just go to TrainingPeaks and create it manually on their (miserable) website. it would be so much easier (And should be since the Wahoo exit) to have it synced automagically to my Bolt/Roam .

Common Wahoo/SUF product guys - you can do it - like Britney Spears said - work it out!


The fact that TP can push workouts to Wahoo devices and SUF can’t is (and that it is somehow on the “roadmap”) is not credible.
Obviously there are some other elements impeding the feature, as the pipeline is in place.

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TrainingPeaks doesn’t support 4DP so couldn’t do exactly what the app does but on your Wahoo headunit. You’d need to build the workouts with all metrics linked to FTP instead.