Is Garmin tougher than Grunter?

I did a solid FF, got my 4DP. Started the All purpose 12 week road plan. Every session completed successfully so far, albeit only 2 weeks into the plan.

All power/cadence targets are met, heart rate seems to sit between 66% and 70% of max which is where I think it should be except when a session deliberately wants me to go deep.

Garmin says I am unproductive, but surely Grunter is tougher than Garmin? Does anyone ever make Garmin happy with the effort you are putting in?

I have never found the unproductive rating on the Garmin very useful.

The First Beat analytics engine does not know what your training goals are, so it makes some assumptions, and they do not always correspond to what you aiming.

The other ratings, detraining, maintaining, productive seem to correspond better.

As another example, I have done workouts such as Violator, The Shovel, Half is Easy, 14 Vise Grips which have clear anaerobic focus. The First Beat analytics engine does not recognize those efforts under the exercise benefits.

Garmin says I’m “Unproductive” as well and from a true TSS/week and CTL standing I agree. I’ve gone from 550-700 TSS weeks to only 300-400 TSS/week. My CTL has dropped from 72 in mid December to only 64 at the end of last week.

The fact that I’m only on the bike for ~6 hours a week versus the 12-15 I was when I could ride outside is my reasoning. I have to constantly remind myself that not all TSS is the same.

I wish I could spend more hours on the trainer/turbo but if you ask me to spend more than an hour a session you need to have a gun to my head and be ready to pull the trigger. I’ve no clue how folks can do the ToS. Really, ten(!) videos in one day?

I trust in the science that I will be able to raise my FTP and MAP this making me faster so I let Garmin just speak and I don’t listen.

I will ignore garmin then by the sounds of it.

Thank you for the feedback everyone.


When Garmin tells me that I tell Garmin YOU’RE unproductive!

@Rik ToS is 7 days in a row (this year, it’s normally 9). The 10 vids back to back thing is Knighthood. Two different things but both are “fun” :stuck_out_tongue:

@Glen.Coutts KoS

Thanks for the clarification. I’ll need to read up on what it takes to be shipped into a KoS.


You can read all about it here. Knights of Sufferlandria® – The Sufferfest

10 videos back to back… To quote my grandfather… “That dog don’t hunt”. You would need to hold a gun to my head regardless of what settings I’d use.

Thanks for the quick reply.



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Lol!!! Membership does has its privileges :wink: